Su T-50

Hi there. I can't wait 'till someone releases a comercial aviasim of this aircraft that has sucessfully made it's maiden flight days ago...

YouTube- Pak Fa First Flight

BTW, do u have more info about this one? Aside that it looks like YF-23...

 

You really so much stupid? Maybe you wanna more like latest space shuttle prototype sim?

 

Well, we got F-22 aviasims (pretty arcade though) even when the aircraft was not fully developed. Even some abandonware games were related to that, such as F-29 retaliatior, F-22 TAW, TFX and so on. So why not a T50 one?

 

As far as I know, Russians AF top priority for now is upgrading MiG-29 & Su-27 (to MiG-35 & Su-35 respectively), by installing completely new avionics while leaving old airframe (thirty year old junk, with no generic "stealth" techs) concept unchanged. This will turn these fighters in what they call "4++" generation aircraft.

In the meantime Eurofighter, Gripen, Rafale, American F-22 & F-35 and Chinese Chengdu J-10 are true 5th generation aircraft built from scratch. First of all this means that they have integrated "generic" stealth technology and wide use pf composite materials in their design which is not based on previous generation airframe, plus highly integrated digital modular avionics.

T-50 is also positioned as next (5th) generation multirole fighter. And i must say it is really looks like Northrop's YF-23 except its rear part of fuselage which resembles me the one of F-22. Looks like Russians learn from Northrop's mistakes and took the aft part from Lockheed plus old engine section of good old Flanker (surely with no heat shielding or any other advanced tricks).

If this is true, and they've just copied American twenty year old design, it is a great shame and this means that their situation is rally desperate. This may also be a trick like it was with S37(Su-47) prototype some years ago, when everybody shouted about unique Russian wunderwaffe design (forgetting the good old Grumman's X-29).

 

Looks like they`ve changed their mind. But still... if used against your country ( for example ) this aged stuff can be very effective and devastating, even without any modifications.

!!!??? These are not 5th. Only T-50 ( new engines and some avionics is not complete yet, so they set in crappy lookin` oldies for some time ) and F-22 Raptor can fully match "5th generation" criteria.

 

Hekk, I prefer to call Typhoon, Gripen and Rafale "cheap 5th generation" and all this bullshit with 4+ and 4++ designations mostly serves for marketing purposes. So I presume that this classification might to be changed soon.

And even more - I afraid that we won't see in proximate future any new designs of "clean" 5th gen. machines except of F-22 & F-35. Such projects are absolutely unaffordable for most countries except USA and maybe China. I afraid that Russia with its "new" T-50 is out of game in this competition for at least next ten years, because copy/paste American 20 year old design of YF-22/23 is just a first step, the next one is to make it all work properly, and put it in real mass production, finally replacing its predecessor.

 

They`d like to buy `em from yankees, but they can`t ( coz` of strict stuff about not selling these machines. F-35 looks quite promising, but to be honest... there`s not much enthusiasm around it ).

T-50 is another story. It`ll be ready ( with brand new engines installed ) this year ( it`s near to mass production in fact, as I understand ) and then in 2013-15... Russia may start to sell it in quite noticeable numbers to India and others, who`s willing to have cheap 5th generation fighter.

Btw. Russia itself plannin` to have 200-250 ( or moar, who knows... ) of `em `till 2020.

 

I sincerely share your hope that T-50 will soon enough become the new "cold war warrior" (like MiG-21 was in its best times - cheap and mighty devil).

It would be absolutely brilliant to see this bird in Air Force of my country, which has absolutely NO money even for upgrading existing Flankers, Fulcrums and Frogfoots. There's even no talking about buying second-hand American junkies like F-15 and F-16 - NATO kicked us, so we'll have to stick with Russia for now.

But only time will tell, so let's hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.

 

Well, sadly enough that's very unlikely for us to get a sim of the most of the modern military aircraft - most features like the HUD/MFD interface will be no more then an artist's impression of ones, just as control functionality etc. Also licensing is a pretty tricky thing so even the visual appearence, leave alone the flightmodel, is pretty tough to replicate legally - for the best example see H.A.W.X. - being not far from Incoming physics-wise even the look of many fighters is made similar and/or inaccurate due to the licensing problems.